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Greetings. This is Pastor David Bass at New Geneva Orthodox Presbyterian Church with a moment of

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truth, where we challenge you to think through an important issue of life and faith. And today,

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I want to challenge you to think through the issue of socialism in America. This is fast

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approaching us like a freight train in the current election, and it's an issue that we're all going

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to have to deal with. But I have somebody here with me today who has had deep experience to his toenails

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growing up under socialism, and his is the voice of experience and the voice of reason. He's an

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articulate man. His name is Bill Azen, and he is the co-owner with his wife, Dasha, of Wealth of Health

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here in Idaho Falls. Just an excellent place to find whole foods, good foods, foods that are

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nurturing to your body. And just full disclosure here, my wife and I have a farm in Teton Valley,

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and Wealth of Health has been so good to us in selling our milk. And so we have just enjoyed

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so much Wealth of Health. And we want to hear Bill now in these things. But Bill, welcome to the

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program. Thank you, Pastor Bass. I feel pretty honored being almost in the presence of God for a

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non-religious person that I am. This is going to be a very interesting take. Well, I've just promoted

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everybody. I have on occasion heard your recorded broadcast on Sunday morning. And when I was younger,

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first came to this country, we did start going to various churches to sort of find our home. We went

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to the Catholic churches. We went to non-denominational church on Fifth West or on South Fifth. And we just

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heard preaching, preaching, preaching that didn't make a lot of common sense. A lot of singing, a lot

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of hand-holding. That's great for a lot of people. And there are all kinds of people who love that.

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But being that I'm a pretty practical guy, I said, I'm not seeing any connection to life

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in that preaching. But then when I listen to you on Sundays, you always tie it to world's events and

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history and to Middle East history, which you know so much about. And that, to me,

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it's fascinating because you live and learn, and you want to learn every day.

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Yeah, it's one of my convictions, Bill, that the gospel transforms every area of life,

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not only the heart and soul for eternity, but also here in the temporal realm as well. So

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the gospel transforms politics and culture and society as well. And that's one reason we've got

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you here, Bill, because you have had a deep experience, like I say to your toenails, you have

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grown up under socialism. And why don't you tell us just a little bit about your background first,

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why we feel that you are qualified to speak on this topic?

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Yeah, because opinions are like dog poop, and they're all over the sidewalk, and they're

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absolutely free. So for those people who might have heard me earlier in the week on the Neil

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Larson's program, you may hear a little bit of a duplication, but that's fine. So I was born

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in the USSR. Don't know how many people still know what USSR is. Back in 1963, Cuban Missile Crisis,

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John F. Kennedy, right in the smack middle of the Soviet Union.

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Cold War propaganda, communism against the United States. I was raised fortunately in a family that

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was very quietly anti-communist. It was difficult at that time in the Soviet Union to be anti-communist.

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Almost every adult was, and every young kid after the age of 10 became a youth communist and then

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progressed through the ranks. But my parents, due to their professional skills and jobs, were able to maintain

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the status. They were very sought after in their professional jobs. So the government laid off of them

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and basically kept hands off as long as they did not go lauding and doing this in public, demonstrating,

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et cetera, et cetera. So I, from the young age, being propagandized in high school, and I finished 9 out of

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10 years of Soviet high school, is 10 years, not 12, as it is in the United States, heard and watched

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daily assault. Daily assault. United States is evil. And the videos that constantly were presented to us

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were the civil unrests of the 60s, burning down of the buildings in the Bronx, in the Harlem,

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Angela Davis. They were the heroes of the Soviet Union. This is what United States is. But deep inside,

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we knew that wasn't it. My dad was a merchant sailor, so he was on cargo ships, sailed all over the world,

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and with his own eyes saw the world from Japan to Caribbean to Europe. One country he's never been to

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was United States. Soviet ships were not allowed into the U.S. But he was in Cuba many times, bringing in

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oil gas refinery, because they were starving without the Soviet Union's hand. So in 1979,

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and my family was Jewish on paper, however, for people who don't know the history, in 1917,

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when the Tsar was taken down, churches and religions of all kinds were basically prohibited. So there was

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that gap from 1917 to late 80s, where you saw the church building, but it was empty, and nobody ever

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went into it, except of the old, old lady, which the government didn't care about, and didn't mind

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going in there. So I had no religion in my background. My grandma used to very quietly, behind padded doors

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of the apartment buildings, have some kind of a dinner thing for Passover and Yom Kippur, which we

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just passed actually right now. That's the Jewish New Year and the Day of Remembrance, the two most

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important Jewish holidays. But my parents, my brother and I, were raised absolutely without

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religion, except what we heard from my grandparents and her friends when they gathered together.

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Remember, the doors were padded, because every apartment landing that had six or eight apartments

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had people called stukach, and those people were reporting on any activities to the government.

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Very similarly now that we're seeing with face masks and people stepping up.

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Snitches. Snitches, yeah. People who speak a little Russian understand it's stukach has

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particular meaning in the world of KGB. So I came to the United States in 1979. Legally,

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mind you, I am all for legal immigration. I am totally against illegal immigration. It's

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very damaging. We waited about a year in the Soviet Union. The background there was under

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Jimmy Carter. He traded so many hundreds of thousands of Jewish immigrants for a bunch of food that United

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States provided, particularly grain program. Again, Soviet Union was starving, broken down,

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poor, except for the elites, who always had the means and the way.

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Isn't that the way of socialism?

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We will tie a lot of this stuff together. So we waited for one year to get a permission from

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the Soviet Union to immigrate with massive amounts of background. They had to make sure that my dad was

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not in privileged information or classified information in the Soviet Union before they let

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him out. The family left. And we spent about two months in Italy and Austria being vetted by the

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United States Department of State and FBI before we were allowed to come to the United States.

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And the United States was not guaranteed because it could have been Australia. It could have been New

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Zealand. It could have been Europe or Israel. And what was happening is the countries were looking at

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who do they need for professional skills? And my dad, being a merchant sailor, they said,

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we can use you right now. So the U.S. is open if you choose to come to United States.

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So we got vetted pretty heavily for our criminal activities, whether we were doing anything

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illegal before we came to the United States. We came with zero money in our pocket. Everything

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was left behind. And we came with absolutely no reliance on the United States government. It was

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privately sponsored immigration associations that were raising funds from private citizens to bring

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immigrants in and family. So we've never, ever taken a dime of the social programs as illegal immigrants

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do today. I finished high school in New York City, went to the Merchant Marine Academy in New York

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City. That's a naval equivalency of the love boat for people who know what love boat is and cruise ships.

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Graduated there, got my U.S. citizenship in five years, which was pretty fast at the time because the United

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States government was looking at people a lot more seriously back then than they do now and got a job

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working for defense contractors in Connecticut building nuclear submarines and then wound up here

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at the site. So my native language of Russian plus top secret clearances for Department of Energy and

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Department of Defense became very handy when the wall collapsed. And I was tasked by our U.S.

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Naval Intelligence to do all kinds of projects

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in the United States and even traveling to Russia. Now, I have to add that my dad, my brother and my

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grandpa were all in the Soviet Navy, not being communists, but somehow they managed to survive and

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prosper and advance in the naval ranks. I wore the uniform of the U.S. Navy for 10 years, Navy

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reserves. So I love the flag. I love the anthem. I am a patriot of this country. I am forever

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appreciative of the opportunity that this country and my family gave me and my brother by allowing us

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to come here. We learned the English. We never asked for the Russian driver's test or for the Russian

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language to become a second language. We integrated into the society and we became productive members of

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this society. And in 1995, after being for 10 years in the government world of the site and other

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contractors, my particular job became very bureaucratic. And not that everybody at the site is. A lot of

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people are doing paper pushing, but a lot of people are doing very productive work. My job just became

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boring and bureaucratic. And as a young 30-some year old, I decided it was time to move on and

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we took over the wealth of hope. Yes. And everything you said about your

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embracing and with great enthusiasm and with great heart and great passion, great love,

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the American way, I have since from you over the years that I've known you, Bill. And it's good to

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hear more of the details of that too. Some of the things I've, I know about you, I've heard just for

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the first time today. And we didn't come here for economic reasons. There are millions of Russian

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immigrants in Brooklyn and California and Washington and Massachusetts who came here to

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make a buck. We came to escape. Number one, the Jewish religion was heavily persecuted. And then we

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had personal reasons where my family's life drastically changed over one event. And my parents said,

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for us, it wasn't important for them, but for the kids, it was important to become free. And so they

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made the move and again, lost everything, all their friendships, all their connections, finances,

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everything, stability, and took a huge risk by coming here. Yeah. But where would you, where else would you

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want to start with nothing? Yeah. I'm not sure that there is a country today. I'm seeing and hearing all

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these comments. Is it time to move to Europe, to Canada? People are applying for Canadian

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information. Yes. God bless you. Please go. You will find out that there's still no better country

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in the world than the United States. Bill, describe for us, since socialism is one of the

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main topics here in the election, upcoming with AOC and Ilhan Omar and many others embracing

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socialism. Yes. And doing so overtly, describe the contrast between what you heard about America.

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You've probably heard about the liberties, the freedoms and so forth, opportunities in America

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and the old, the socialism that you experienced in Russia itself. Why don't you compare just a

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little bit about what you knew in your, in your, the fiber of your bones about socialism and then

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coming to America and seeing the contrast. Well, um, and what was that like?

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So the, the background of socialism in 1917, a young kid by the name of Lenin got up on top

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of a train, said, rah, rah, rah, all you people have been oppressed by the czar. I, you've been

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abused. You, you're poor. Look at how you live. I can promise you better. And that resonated

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with the peasants. So the czar was killed, uh, or put in exile, his family, et cetera, et cetera.

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Lenin became this, uh, uh, symbol of socialism, um, exterminated millions of people very quickly,

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uh, hired, created basically KGB or the, the previous, uh, KGB, uh, uh, organization. And, uh,

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that continued on with Stalin and, and on and on where the, one of the biggest things is in socialism,

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look at, uh, Soviet union or Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba, uh, North Korea, the value of

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life is meaningless. I am not a pro-life and I'm not a religious person, but it's very easy for the

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communists to kill a million people because they, uh, opposed an ideology or spoke out against ABC,

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whatever it is. So the biggest differences in the United States until right now that we're seeing

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with these, uh, uh, fiery protests and not the peaceful ones, but, but, uh, radical anarchy

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protests, the value of life has been devalued. And of course, uh, why is all of a sudden abortion

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is not important to 50% of the population if they're valuing a black life or a Hispanic life or some

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other life? I'm just throwing a question out there. What separates that life from a baby's life?

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And again, I'm not a pro-life. Uh, I was raised without a church. I was raised without a God or

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religion. Um, I deeply understand that the discipline and the wellbeing of people comes from believing and,

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uh, in some higher being and a family raising, uh, the good people. But, uh, one of the biggest

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things you see, uh, in the United States, if you first arrive here from a socialist country is

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abundance, abundance, overabundance, in many cases, way, way overabundance, which I would say

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maybe it wouldn't be too bad to cut down on some of the stuff, but that is something that you see

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empty shelves. You see lack of toilet paper where people were using magazines and newspapers crumbled

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up in toilets. Uh, the joke was, uh, fine grit, sandpaper, uh, whatever you needed to use. There was

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no toothpaste, no toothbrushes. There was no jeans. There was nothing at all. The Soviet Union produced

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bare minimum essentials. Uh, and people just existed. They survived. They got up in the morning. They

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didn't say a lot. They didn't protest there. They just survived. And they hoped to put food on the table

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and make it to the next day. Uh, and if you did say something, then you would kind of very quietly

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disappear or never to be seen again. Or maybe you were, you were told, uh, if you calm down,

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this behavior will let you back into the society in a year or two. And so the gulags, which were known

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then still exist. There are a lot of political opposition. Even if you're plugged into the news

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a little bit, you see that if Putin gets a challenger and that challenger is a little bit vociferous,

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that challenger disappears pretty quickly, either with poison or, uh, or a bullet in the head,

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or just nobody knows where that person disappeared to. The principles of socialism that, that drove

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the results, the conditions in which you grew up, um, are being espoused now. That is that government

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is the end all be all free, uh, education, free healthcare, uh, now, uh, an annual minimum

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wage. Yeah. Uh, up and down the line. Um, what is at the heart and core of the, of those kinds of

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socialist principles that then ultimately leads to the conditions in which you grew up? Right. So

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number one, the government controls production. Uh, the only place that it's ever succeeded was inside

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the kibbutzes in Israel, which you can call classic communist things where people harvest together and

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share the wealth. But outside of those kibbutzes, Israel is a pretty democratic, uh, Western type,

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uh, world. Uh, when people throw Sweden or Norway and Denmark into the mix or Finland, uh, they forget

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that those countries live on massive amounts of that dirty oil and the funds that they have very similar

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to Alaska or, uh, uh, some other countries that, uh, have these, uh, uh, production, uh, royalties off

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of oil can afford, uh, the government to give, uh, for social programs. So there is zero motivation and

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zero incentive for people to advance because I'm in the Soviet Union. You had no idea what your wage was.

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You were given a paycheck and that paycheck was very similar for a, an engineer after four years or six

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years of school and a person who was sweeping the streets. Um, you were given a stipend to, to go

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towards your utilities, towards your apartment. There was about a 10 year waiting list. Again,

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this is under communists. Things have changed since the wall came down and Putin does understand the

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economic, uh, growth and taxation. But under the communists, you waited 10 to 15 years to get a car

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because cars were not produced. And when they were produced, they were garbage. Um, you can, uh,

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revert for a second to Scandinavian countries where the sales tax is in the 20% range right now for a

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cup of coffee. And until just a few weeks ago, it was 200% of the value of a vehicle, which was just

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reduced to 100%, which is a huge tax cut. So why do Norwegians and Swedes ride bicycles? Because it's

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very expensive to own a car, but all of them do own a car. They all own teeny little cars because they're

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less expensive. Uh, and they do commute when they need to. But when we hear this, uh, they're all happy

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riding bicycles. There's a reason for that. The government does force you in the direction by taxing

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you. So you have no idea what your wages are. You don't know what you're worth. You have really

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no savings. You cannot own any property. There is no motivation for a doctor to become a better doctor

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or for an engineer to get a PhD. We can see all of these, uh, uh, going back. We can see the tentacles

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going, coming out of, uh, government ownership of production. Correct. And the Norway owns oil

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production Norway. They've nationalized Venezuela. Venezuela is the same thing. Right. And just think

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about it a few years ago, Venezuela was one of the richest countries in the world. And what happened

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with a few regimes there, uh, it basically disappeared. Now the communism or the socialism,

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my friends, Marx and Engels who wrote the communist manifesto, that was my Bible going to high school

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in the Soviet union. We had to memorize the communist manifesto, the four pillars of the manifesto. And

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you can tie him to exactly step for step with what we're seeing today is separate people from religion.

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How quickly did people give up their right to go pray during COVID? Uh, even if you were outside with

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20 people maintaining 50 foot distance, not us, we continue to be, I saw enough videos. Sure. Oh

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yeah. All over the country arrested by the local cops for violating the gathering ordinance. So

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separate people from religion, separate people from guns, uh, Nazi Germany, 1930s and, uh,

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communist 1917 guns were taken away from people so they could not resist. Number three, media,

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convert media and implant people into media so they can continue propagandizing. Uh, we see this

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with MSNBC, CNN, uh, uh, New York times, uh, to a much lesser extent, Fox news on the, on the right

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side. Growing up, Pravda was the, was the byword. Yeah. The word truth and, uh, Novosti, which was

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an irony. Right. And then red star was the big newspaper, uh, uh, in Russia as well. And then the fourth

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tentacle was start working out on the, working on the mush brains of the kids and then continue

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progressing through high school, through college with whatever the evil propaganda is. And we can

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obviously see that now with the teachers unions, not the teachers, but the teachers unions pushing

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propaganda, uh, all the way up to colleges where it's very difficult to find a college today who

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will accept free speech and argument on any kind. So there's four tentacles. Now we shared a video

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from many years ago of a gentleman and, and people can probably find it. Uh, the interview was given

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in the mid eighties. He was a chief of station Novosti in Canada, uh, uh, KGB, Colonel in the KGB,

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the responsible for subverting and, uh, uh, bloodless gunless education of the American crowd,

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uh, with the benefits of the communism. And he goes through the exact same tentacles that started

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in 1960s where the Soviet union implanted lots and lots of people inside United nations,

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inside our universities, inside our political spectrum. We now have people, uh, Ilhan Omar,

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uh, Bernie Sanders, who fully believe that free, free, free, which appeals to the young population

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and many older ones, because it is good to have free stuff, but they don't understand that there

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is no free lunch in the world. That's right. And the government always has its, uh, cost, um, as well.

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Um, and one of the things that you find with, uh, totalitarian regimes as well is, is a principle that

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you alluded to earlier. That is the individual does not matter. It's the state that, uh, that, uh, is,

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is most important. And, uh, that conflicts majorly with the American principle of the individual,

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uh, and incentive opportunity, um, that every individual has in America. Um, and I'm not saying,

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uh, it's, it's not good or whatever. If somebody here in the United States loves that system of

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government and life, we have a fortunate opportunity, which we did not have in the Soviet

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Union to travel. You were not allowed to travel, but here you can get a ticket one way to Venezuela

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or China. They may be happy to take you. They may not be happy to take you, but at least you could get

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up and go and experience that life. Sure. And you may not have to travel that far. Um,

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pretty soon because we're talking about California, New York, which is very quickly becoming, uh,

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Bill, uh, we have just begun to scratch the surface. I think we, uh, can probably, um, continue to

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another episode. Does that sound appealing to you? Absolutely. Maybe you'll get some questions from

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your parish. That's right. And from our, uh, listeners all over the, uh, all over Southeast

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Idaho. So I would invite everybody then to do precisely that. And you can direct those questions,

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um, to me, Pastor David Bass at New Geneva Orthodox Presbyterian Church. And you can do that by calling

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area code 208-523-0196. That's 208-523-0196. And you will, uh, be able to submit those questions

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then, uh, to my voicemail. And we will go ahead and take those up then next week. Uh, but until then, uh,

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New Geneva Orthodox Presbyterian Church meets for holy worship on Sunday at 10 a.m. at 101 4th Street

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on the corner of 4th and Boulevard. And we encourage you to check out our website where we

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have a catalog of our past radio messages. And you'll find that at, um, uh, omnispotestas.com.

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That's Latin, O-M-N-I-S-P-O-T-E-S-T-A-S.org. Excuse me, that's .org. And that means all authority.

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All authority has been granted to Christ. And, uh, you'll find our catalog then of previous

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radio messages there. And for more information or to submit a question, uh, for Bill, uh, go ahead

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and call us at area code 208-523-0196.

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